COVID-19 / Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) - Diskusia2

[beardie]

ale ano, to nikto nespochybnuje, lenze tazke priebehy a hospitalizacie, nebodaj smrt, maju v drvivej vacsine iba rizikove skupiny - tlsti, stari a chori

[16cmfan]

Ja si tiez pas v aute davam len zo srandy.. to iste vakcina.. proste nikdy nevies ako mozes skoncit ci mlady alebo stary mozes zdochnut na covid. Normal clovek ak vie, ze z ockovania nebude mat nejaky problem a este ho to stoji tak max. bolavu ruku na 3 dni tak ani neuvazuje ze tam nejde. Proste tam pojdes lebo nevidis ziadne negativum. Antivaxeri prdia na ockovanie nie kvoli nejakym vysledkom, vacsina sleduje len svojich dezolatnych vodcov na FB... aj keby si antivaxera posadil pred pacienta co je na ventaku tak bude tvrdit ze je herec. A takym ludom (anti vaxerom, dezolatkom, primitivom) by som fakt poprial mozno aj predcasne ukoncenie demoverzie zvanej "poberanie podpory". Ved ti ludia uprostred prac. dna chodia protestovat.. alebo nebodaj buzerovat dokonca uz aj do vakcinacnych centier.

[beardie]

praveze vies dost dobre ako skoncis, lebo mame miliony prikladov
bez debaty su 3 ohrozene skupiny - stari, chori, obezni

ludia, ktori na ockovania nejdu, casto nevidia prave to pozitivum, ked je u drvivej vacsiny z nich priebeh asymptomaticky az mierny

tie statisticke vynimky nie su take bezne, aby sa kvoli nim obmedzovali miliony ludi len na Slovensku
napriklad deti v skolach je na Slovensku asi 700 000, v tomto clanku je popisane ako sa budu obmedzovat aj ked budu zdrave: https://www.postoj.sk/88650/tretia-vlna ... z-kontroly

ten clanok by mal sluzit ako odstrasujuci priklad ako sa to nema robit

ako bonus, imunita ziskana prekonanim choroby je kvalitnejsia ako po ockovani

This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.

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https://aeronet.cz/news/ve-vakcinach-pr ... onferenci/

Tak teraz lutujem, ze neviem po nemecky, lebo toto bolo silne citanie a rad by som si pozrel ten zdroj

"Některé tyto kontaminanty vypadají jako kosmické lodě, resp. průzkumné sondy s anténou, která čouhá z vrcholu sondy. Chovají se jako naprogramované sondy s funkcí, tzv. sentinely, které mají nějaký úkol, ale nebylo možné zatím zjistit, jaký úkol by to měl být. "

"Kromě toho je v těchto vláknech možné identifikovat i plasty, jejichž původ je nejasný, protože to vypadá, jako kdyby po vstříknutí vakcíny se lidské tělo naučilo samo syntetizovat plastické hmoty na bázi polymerových vazeb uhlíku, chloru, hydroxylů a organických esterů. Teoreticky by tělo bylo schopné syntetizovat plasty, jako např. polyestery, ale pouze jako důsledek nějakého experimentu, protože žádný lidský orgán v lidském těle neměl evolučně důvod syntetizovat plasty ve svém těle. Jenže ta vlákna opravdu mají původ v plastech a dokonce už dostala svůj název jako morgellony."

[16cmfan]

@beardie obmedzuje ? Vidis posledny pol rok nejake vacsie obmedzenia ? Ludia sa tvaria ze Covid ani nebol tak ake obmedzenia ludi ? Kazdy ma na salame, nikto nic nekontroluje... "obmedzovali miliony ludi na Slovensku"...

[beardie]

ano, vidim, staci ked si otvorim semafor, mas tam presny zoznam obmedzeni
najviac mi vadi obmedzovanie skolskej dochadzky, ktore ma neodvratne dosledky

[kllr007]

Školy zavreté ale papez musí byť. Sme bohužiaľ v stredoveku kde cirkev je dôležitejšia ako vzdelanie.

[JacobSteven]

@beardie obmedzuje ? Vidis posledny pol rok nejake vacsie obmedzenia ? Ludia sa tvaria ze Covid ani nebol tak ake obmedzenia ludi ? Kazdy ma na salame, nikto nic nekontroluje... "obmedzovali miliony ludi na Slovensku"...

možno cez leto, ale teraz sa pohol "covid automat" a zaujímavé, že ide len k horšiemu, k lepšiemu ako vždy pôjde pomaly až v júni. A furt keď vyjde nový na nový týždeň tak napíšu "rapídne sa zhoršujúca situácia" alebo niečo v tom zmysle.

Inak ja nechápem v čom je lepší ten "nový" covid automat keď tam aj tak svine zakomponovali zase tie sprosté hodiny pre dôchodcov, už nevedia po tretíkrát pochopiť, že to je choré? Čistá diskriminácia pracujúcich na poobedné zmeny, ale aj iných ľudí. Zároveň aj tie FFP2 respirátory... už zase budú všade, teda u ž sú vo väčšine okresoch, dusenie začína. Tie ich slová, že očkovanie je sloboda, akosi neplatia.

[16cmfan]

ano, vidim, staci ked si otvorim semafor, mas tam presny zoznam obmedzeni
najviac mi vadi obmedzovanie skolskej dochadzky, ktore ma neodvratne dosledky

Nic proti vzdelaniu ale velmi mudre by neboli aj bez covidu s plnou dochadzkou.. hlavne ked (u nas v posratom zidovskom BJ) vidim ze sedia o 14:00 na namesti s nagelovanou hhlavou a piju pivo na terase pred pubom v 10 stupnovom pocasi s jemnym dazdom... si vravim vtedy.. ano aj ja som bol taky kek v ich veku ale...

Pride mi, ze sa pouzivaju deti ako hlavna zamienka ze automat je na kek.. ano bol jeden cas uz neni, upravili pravidla az na moj vkus velmi benevolentne... to ze je decko pozitiv a musi ist do karanteny.. co vidis na tom zle ?

Uprimne vymysli lepsi sposob ale taky, aby decko pozitivne mohlo behat po svete aj do skol bez toho aby niekoho nakazilo....

a dam ti medailu zemiakovu

[beardie]

decko pozitiv nie je decko chore
kvoli jednomu pozitivnemu (nie choremu) decku ide do karanteny cela trieda, to je uplne na hlavu udrete

decka maju vzdy najjemnejsi priebeh, existuju krajiny, kde sa skoly (az na par tyzdnov) vobec nezatvarali a ziadnu genocidu tam nemaju

mozeme sa konecne po 1,5 roku medialnej hysterie zacat pozerat na realne data a spravat sa podla nich?

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@beardie obmedzuje ? Vidis posledny pol rok nejake vacsie obmedzenia ? Ludia sa tvaria ze Covid ani nebol tak ake obmedzenia ludi ? Kazdy ma na salame, nikto nic nekontroluje... "obmedzovali miliony ludi na Slovensku"...

Si asi nesiel bez ockovania cez hranice, ze? Idealne opakovane ako zamestnany clovek...

[HellAngel]

to jedno decko moze nakazit dalsie a tie dalsie atd...
a pravidla su benevolentne aj podla mna. Navsteva papeza a "oficialne" obrovske zhromazdenie bol vysmech vsetkym pravidlam, nariadenim, obmedzeniam, odbornikom a ludom...

[beardie]

to jedno decko moze nakazit dalsie a tie dalsie atd...

ano, s tym sa otvorene pocita, je to na plnu hubu oznamene ako fakt
vsetci cakaju, ze sa decka pocas 2-3 mesiacov komplet premoria

Ale ak je dieťa negatívne, vráti sa späť do triedy, v ktorej sa pár dní nato môže vyskytnúť ďalší pozitívny žiak. A zase ide do karantény. Aký to má zmysel?
Princíp je stále ten istý. Predpokladá sa, že pravdepodobnosť kontaktu s vírusom je taká, že si dieťa možno takto prejde štyri cykly, ale potom už veľmi pravdepodobne infikované bude a bude aj PCR pozitívne. Po čase budú takto premorené takmer všetky školy a zatvárať sa už nebudú.

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vsetci vedia, ze sa deti premoria, preco teda nemozeme nezatvarat skoly? riadit sa podla beznych epidemiologickych nariadeni pre chripku? hovoria nieco v zmysle, ze ked je 30 % ziakov chorych, tak sa zavre trieda ci skola, desatrociami preverene opatrenia, ktore su ucinne

[HellAngel]

to dieta moze nakazit rodica, stareho rodica. Oni mozu niekoho nakazit v praci, stary rodic niekoho v obchode atd. Premorenie zatial nie je riesenie, nie pokym pri vacsom mnozstve pripadom zkolabuje zdravotnictvo, ekonomia, skolstvo...
mame vakcinu, jednoduchy nastroj, ktory potlaci covid aj pri velkom rozsireni na minimum, tak nevidim dovod ho nepouzit, pokial nebude vynajdene nieco chytrejsie a ucinejsie

epidemiologicke opatrenia proti chripke su nam zatial na nic, bolo vidiet ze jedine co zastavi masove sirenie a kolabs su trvde uzatvarenie krajiny. Skody su potom obrovske. Covid asi nie je ta najhorsia choroba s ktorou sa este stretneme, ale pekne ukazal, ako je cast tohoto sveta velmi zranitelna

[Hexaris]

Mensie citanie, mozno si tam kazdy nieco najde ... uvidime casom co z toho bola realita

Wuhan and US scientists were planning to release enhanced airborne coronavirus particles into Chinese bat populations to inoculate them against diseases that could jump to humans, leaked grant proposals dating from 2018 show.

New documents show that just 18 months before the first Covid-19 cases appeared, researchers had submitted plans to release skin-penetrating nanoparticles and aerosols containing “novel chimeric spike proteins” of bat coronaviruses into cave bats in Yunnan, China.

They also planned to create chimeric viruses, genetically enhanced to infect humans more easily, and requested $14million from the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (Darpa) to fund the work.

Papers, confirmed as genuine by a former member of the Trump administration, show they were hoping to introduce “human-specific cleavage sites” to bat coronaviruses which would make it easier for the virus to enter human cells.

When Covid-19 was first genetically sequenced, scientists were puzzled about how the virus had evolved such a human-specific adaptation at the cleavage site on the spike protein, which is the reason it is so infectious.

The documents were released by Drastic, the web-based investigations team set up by scientists from across the world to look into the origins of Covid-19.

In a statement, Drastic said: “Given that we find in this proposal a discussion of the planned introduction of human-specific cleavage sites, a review by the wider scientific community of the plausibility of artificial insertion is warranted.”

The proposal also included plans to mix high-risk natural coronavirus strains with more infectious but less dangerous varieties.

The bid was submitted by British zoologist Peter Daszak of EcoHealth Alliance, the US-based organisation, which has worked closely with the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) researching bat coronaviruses.

Team members included Dr Shi Zhengli, the WIV researcher dubbed “bat woman”, pictured below, as well as US researchers from the University of North Carolina and the United States Geological Survey National Wildlife Health Centre.

Dr Shi Zhengli
Darpa refused to fund the work, saying: “It is clear that the proposed project led by Peter Daszak could have put local communities at risk”, and warned that the team had not properly considered the dangers of enhancing the virus (gain of function research) or releasing a vaccine by air.

Grant documents show that the team also had some concerns about the vaccine programme and said they would “conduct educational outreach … so that there is a public understanding of what we are doing and why we are doing it, particularly because of the practice of bat-consumption in the region”.

Angus Dalgleish, Professor of Oncology at St Georges, University of London, who struggled to get work published showing that the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) had been carrying out “gain of function” work for years before the pandemic, said the research may have gone ahead even without the funding.

“This is clearly a gain of function, engineering the cleavage site and polishing the new viruses to enhance human cell infectibility in more than one cell line,” he said.

Daszak was also behind a letter published in The Lancet last year which effectively shut down scientific debate into the origins of Covid-19.

Wuhan testing
Residents in Wuhan are tested for coronavirus in April 2020 CREDIT: Roman Pilipey/Shutterstock
Viscount Ridley, who has co-authored a book on the origin of Covid-19, due for release in November, and who has frequently called for a further investigation into what caused the pandemic in the House of Lords, said: “For more than a year I tried repeatedly to ask questions of Peter Daszak with no response.

“Now it turns out he had authored this vital piece of information about virus work in Wuhan but refused to share it with the world. I am furious. So should the world be.

“Peter Daszak and the EcoHealth Alliance (EHA) proposed injecting deadly chimeric bat coronaviruses collected by the Wuhan Institute of Virology into humanised and ‘batified’ mice, and much, much more.”

A Covid-19 researcher from the World Health Organisation (WHO), who wished to remain anonymous, said it was alarming that the grant proposal included plans to enhance the more deadly disease of Middle-East Respiratory Syndrome (Mers).

“The scary part is they were making infectious chimeric Mers viruses,” the source said.

“These viruses have a fatality rate over 30 per cent, which is at least an order of magnitude more deadly than Sars-CoV-2.

“If one of their receptor replacements made Mers spread similarly, while maintaining its lethality, this pandemic would be nearly apocalyptic.”

EcoHealth Alliance and the Wuhan Institute of Virology have been aproached for comment.